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I am serious there are other items being sold such as DVD and CD's of services, books, water, soda, potatoe chips the is suppose to be healthier we are told. Every Jan. the congregation is told to fast and pray. Then on Jan. 2006 we were told to fast 100% juice only (no food). For as long as we can take it. Then the 100% juice was sold to teach us this is what we were told by the Pastor to teach us how to fast and pray. The Pastor e-mail's everyone with his journal about his fasting experince for 40 days. It says in the bible fasting and praying in secret. I have been attending this church for 3 years. I try to block out some of these odd things that are going on since last Jan. 2006. I am not the only one that attends this church that is getting confused about what is doing on. We have been thinking about attending another church or just taking a break read the bible at home. Let God minister to us at home by reading the bible. This is a serious question Please help us!
Why not? After all, Jesus passed out loaves and fishes when he delivered the Sermon on the Mount. If your pastor thinks eating certain foods is a good idea, he is in good company.
Selling things in church is a little unusual, but if it is not done during services, I see no great harm, especially if the proceeds are going to the good works of the church. It sounds as though your pastor is very involved. That's a good thing and should be encouraged, even if you do not want to participate in every activity. If you are unwell, or if you are responsible for older people or children who attend services with you, it might be a good idea to talk to a doctor before fasting. Many people of many faiths do fast sometimes, but it is not an obligation every believer needs to do if there are health concerns.
If you are really uncomfortable with what your pastor is doing, make an appointment to discuss it with him. He may think he is doing something to make everyone feel involved and not know that it is offending some of his congregation.
November 17 2008 | Bible Juice | 28 Comments »
Didn’t Jesus create wine from water? If so, alcohol (in moderation) must be ok (if not divine).
I’ve heard some claim that the “wine” he created was unfermented grape juice; but can’t find anything in the Bible supporting that theory since there are several OT references to people becoming intoxicated after drinking wine.
Hi Chris,
Actually, the subject of alcohol in the Bible is one of those topics where we are compelled to examine both Old and New Testaments to find our answer to this question. The reason - there are some compelling arguments out there that the New Testament forbids drinking alcohol of any kind.
Let us briefly examine why…
The Greek word for wine is ‘oinos’. There is disagreement between respectable biblical scholars about whether this refers to fermented wine or unfermented grape juice, as in some ancient texts relating to Aristotle and Hippocrates oinos has been used in this way. It could be argued from both viewpoints so we must look to other parts of the Bible to interpret this in the wisest way.
Yes Jesus turned water into oinos but given we know from from both Testaments that drinking to excess is most definitely not something that God promotes, Jesus wouldn’t have done so either. Have you seen the quantity of oinos Jesus produced for a party who were already ‘well drunk’? In addition there is good evidence to suggest that the best wine would be the newest and the least fermented - aka Grape Juice. We cannot therefore use this as support of alcohol being OK for Christians…
There are many other examples that can be cited such as Paul telling Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach (1 Tim 5:23), Jesus being accused of being a drunkard (Luke 7:33-34), The instructions to not partake in MUCH wine (as opposed to any - 1 Tim 3:8, Titus 2:3). However scholars have suggested that all of these are explainable by using the translation of oinos as Grape Juice as opposed to Wine.
However, the Old Testament is much clearer…
The Hebrew word yayin occurs 140 times in the OT. 138 times this is translated as wine, once as banqueting and once as wine-bibers (i.e. those who drink too much wine). Many times it is used in a positive context, for example when discussing celebration procedures for feasts.
In the Old Testament wine (yayin) was clearly fermented. It was the instrument of Noah’s drunkeness (Gen 9:21); Nabal drank wine and was very drunken (1Sam 25:36-37); the drunkards of Ephraim were drunk with wine (Isa 28:1). Some would attempt to make the same term apply to that which is non-alcoholic and that which is alcoholic suggesting that sometimes words are used generically. It is true that some words are used in a generic sense, however the Hebrew words for wine, strong drink, new wine, grapes, and raisins are very specific.
Perhaps the strongest evidence that God was not against His people drinking yayin is found in Deuteronomy 14:26… When giving instructions to the Israelites on how the second tithe was to be used, the scriptures tell us…
“Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine (yayin) or other fermented drink (shekah), or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.”
Seems pretty clear therefore that wine itself is not sinful for God is unchanging and would not consider something a sin in the NT that was not also considered a sin in the truest sense of the OT law and prophets.
However, this doesn’t give a Christian free license to go and partake in as much wine as they like wherever they like. Cultural circumstances should definitely be taken into consideration (see 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 and Romans 14:1-21). Your circumstances may make it advisable that you abstain from alcohol for the sake of the gospel and your witness. Only you will know that for certain…
What matters most is that the Word of God be handled with the utmost integrity and respect. If God had wanted to say things differently, He could have. I am not in the business of trying to reword what God has said into something that I think is a little better.
It seems, therefore that drinking alcohol, like so many things, is permissible but may not be advisable, particularly for certain people. If we declare it to be forbidden we have misunderstood God’s word and we are becoming like the Pharisees and establishing a hedge law.
If you want to know any more about the references or discuss this further then please feel free to email me.
November 17 2008 | Bible Juice | 31 Comments »
I am serious there are other items being sold such as DVD and CD's of services, books, water, soda, potatoe chips the is suppose to be healthier we are told. Every Jan. the congregation is told to fast and pray. Then on Jan. 2006 we were told to fast 100% juice only (no food). For as long as we can take it. Then the 100% juice was sold to teach us this is what we were told by the Pastor to teach us how to fast and pray. The Pastor e-mail's everyone with his journal about his fasting experince for 40 days. It says in the bible fasting and praying in secret. I have been attending this church for 3 years. I try to block out some of these odd things that are going on since last Jan. 2006. I am not the only one that attends this church that is getting confused about what is doing on. We have been thinking about attending another church or just taking a break read the bible at home. Let God minister to us at home by reading the bible. This is a serious question Please help us!
Why not? After all, Jesus passed out loaves and fishes when he delivered the Sermon on the Mount. If your pastor thinks eating certain foods is a good idea, he is in good company.
Selling things in church is a little unusual, but if it is not done during services, I see no great harm, especially if the proceeds are going to the good works of the church. It sounds as though your pastor is very involved. That's a good thing and should be encouraged, even if you do not want to participate in every activity. If you are unwell, or if you are responsible for older people or children who attend services with you, it might be a good idea to talk to a doctor before fasting. Many people of many faiths do fast sometimes, but it is not an obligation every believer needs to do if there are health concerns.
If you are really uncomfortable with what your pastor is doing, make an appointment to discuss it with him. He may think he is doing something to make everyone feel involved and not know that it is offending some of his congregation.
November 17 2008 | Bible Juice | 28 Comments »
Didn’t Jesus create wine from water? If so, alcohol (in moderation) must be ok (if not divine).
I’ve heard some claim that the “wine” he created was unfermented grape juice; but can’t find anything in the Bible supporting that theory since there are several OT references to people becoming intoxicated after drinking wine.
Hi Chris,
Actually, the subject of alcohol in the Bible is one of those topics where we are compelled to examine both Old and New Testaments to find our answer to this question. The reason - there are some compelling arguments out there that the New Testament forbids drinking alcohol of any kind.
Let us briefly examine why…
The Greek word for wine is ‘oinos’. There is disagreement between respectable biblical scholars about whether this refers to fermented wine or unfermented grape juice, as in some ancient texts relating to Aristotle and Hippocrates oinos has been used in this way. It could be argued from both viewpoints so we must look to other parts of the Bible to interpret this in the wisest way.
Yes Jesus turned water into oinos but given we know from from both Testaments that drinking to excess is most definitely not something that God promotes, Jesus wouldn’t have done so either. Have you seen the quantity of oinos Jesus produced for a party who were already ‘well drunk’? In addition there is good evidence to suggest that the best wine would be the newest and the least fermented - aka Grape Juice. We cannot therefore use this as support of alcohol being OK for Christians…
There are many other examples that can be cited such as Paul telling Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach (1 Tim 5:23), Jesus being accused of being a drunkard (Luke 7:33-34), The instructions to not partake in MUCH wine (as opposed to any - 1 Tim 3:8, Titus 2:3). However scholars have suggested that all of these are explainable by using the translation of oinos as Grape Juice as opposed to Wine.
However, the Old Testament is much clearer…
The Hebrew word yayin occurs 140 times in the OT. 138 times this is translated as wine, once as banqueting and once as wine-bibers (i.e. those who drink too much wine). Many times it is used in a positive context, for example when discussing celebration procedures for feasts.
In the Old Testament wine (yayin) was clearly fermented. It was the instrument of Noah’s drunkeness (Gen 9:21); Nabal drank wine and was very drunken (1Sam 25:36-37); the drunkards of Ephraim were drunk with wine (Isa 28:1). Some would attempt to make the same term apply to that which is non-alcoholic and that which is alcoholic suggesting that sometimes words are used generically. It is true that some words are used in a generic sense, however the Hebrew words for wine, strong drink, new wine, grapes, and raisins are very specific.
Perhaps the strongest evidence that God was not against His people drinking yayin is found in Deuteronomy 14:26… When giving instructions to the Israelites on how the second tithe was to be used, the scriptures tell us…
“Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine (yayin) or other fermented drink (shekah), or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.”
Seems pretty clear therefore that wine itself is not sinful for God is unchanging and would not consider something a sin in the NT that was not also considered a sin in the truest sense of the OT law and prophets.
However, this doesn’t give a Christian free license to go and partake in as much wine as they like wherever they like. Cultural circumstances should definitely be taken into consideration (see 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 and Romans 14:1-21). Your circumstances may make it advisable that you abstain from alcohol for the sake of the gospel and your witness. Only you will know that for certain…
What matters most is that the Word of God be handled with the utmost integrity and respect. If God had wanted to say things differently, He could have. I am not in the business of trying to reword what God has said into something that I think is a little better.
It seems, therefore that drinking alcohol, like so many things, is permissible but may not be advisable, particularly for certain people. If we declare it to be forbidden we have misunderstood God’s word and we are becoming like the Pharisees and establishing a hedge law.
If you want to know any more about the references or discuss this further then please feel free to email me.
November 17 2008 | Bible Juice | 32 Comments »
Didn’t Jesus create wine from water? If so, alcohol (in moderation) must be ok (if not divine).
I’ve heard some claim that the “wine” he created was unfermented grape juice; but can’t find anything in the Bible supporting that theory since there are several OT references to people becoming intoxicated after drinking wine.
Hi Chris,
Actually, the subject of alcohol in the Bible is one of those topics where we are compelled to examine both Old and New Testaments to find our answer to this question. The reason - there are some compelling arguments out there that the New Testament forbids drinking alcohol of any kind.
Let us briefly examine why…
The Greek word for wine is ‘oinos’. There is disagreement between respectable biblical scholars about whether this refers to fermented wine or unfermented grape juice, as in some ancient texts relating to Aristotle and Hippocrates oinos has been used in this way. It could be argued from both viewpoints so we must look to other parts of the Bible to interpret this in the wisest way.
Yes Jesus turned water into oinos but given we know from from both Testaments that drinking to excess is most definitely not something that God promotes, Jesus wouldn’t have done so either. Have you seen the quantity of oinos Jesus produced for a party who were already ‘well drunk’? In addition there is good evidence to suggest that the best wine would be the newest and the least fermented - aka Grape Juice. We cannot therefore use this as support of alcohol being OK for Christians…
There are many other examples that can be cited such as Paul telling Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach (1 Tim 5:23), Jesus being accused of being a drunkard (Luke 7:33-34), The instructions to not partake in MUCH wine (as opposed to any - 1 Tim 3:8, Titus 2:3). However scholars have suggested that all of these are explainable by using the translation of oinos as Grape Juice as opposed to Wine.
However, the Old Testament is much clearer…
The Hebrew word yayin occurs 140 times in the OT. 138 times this is translated as wine, once as banqueting and once as wine-bibers (i.e. those who drink too much wine). Many times it is used in a positive context, for example when discussing celebration procedures for feasts.
In the Old Testament wine (yayin) was clearly fermented. It was the instrument of Noah’s drunkeness (Gen 9:21); Nabal drank wine and was very drunken (1Sam 25:36-37); the drunkards of Ephraim were drunk with wine (Isa 28:1). Some would attempt to make the same term apply to that which is non-alcoholic and that which is alcoholic suggesting that sometimes words are used generically. It is true that some words are used in a generic sense, however the Hebrew words for wine, strong drink, new wine, grapes, and raisins are very specific.
Perhaps the strongest evidence that God was not against His people drinking yayin is found in Deuteronomy 14:26… When giving instructions to the Israelites on how the second tithe was to be used, the scriptures tell us…
“Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine (yayin) or other fermented drink (shekah), or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the Lord your God and rejoice.”
Seems pretty clear therefore that wine itself is not sinful for God is unchanging and would not consider something a sin in the NT that was not also considered a sin in the truest sense of the OT law and prophets.
However, this doesn’t give a Christian free license to go and partake in as much wine as they like wherever they like. Cultural circumstances should definitely be taken into consideration (see 1 Corinthians 8:1-13 and Romans 14:1-21). Your circumstances may make it advisable that you abstain from alcohol for the sake of the gospel and your witness. Only you will know that for certain…
What matters most is that the Word of God be handled with the utmost integrity and respect. If God had wanted to say things differently, He could have. I am not in the business of trying to reword what God has said into something that I think is a little better.
It seems, therefore that drinking alcohol, like so many things, is permissible but may not be advisable, particularly for certain people. If we declare it to be forbidden we have misunderstood God’s word and we are becoming like the Pharisees and establishing a hedge law.
If you want to know any more about the references or discuss this further then please feel free to email me.
November 17 2008 | Bible Juice | 31 Comments »
What was Francis Bacon’s greatest scientific contribution?
a. Theory of relativity
b. Grape juice
c. Scientific Method
d. Theory of gravity
What philosopher believed that only what can be seen clearly and distinctly should be trusted?
a. Francis Bacon
b. Johannes Gutenberg
c. Rene Descartes
d. Al- Hazen
What did Isaac Newton demonstrate in Principia?
a. The sun revolves around the moon.
b. Planets move in elliptical paths.
c. Objects are naturally attracted to one another.
d. The universe is flat.
What did Francis Bacon believe?
a. Humans should rely on feelings to learn about the world.
b. People should rely on reasons to learn about the world.
c. Science should develop soap.
d. Researchers should use experimentation and observation.
Why was Galileo charged with heresy?
a. The Bible supported the idea that earth was the center of the solar system.
b. He liked grape juice.
c. He publicly supported the Copernican System.
d. He was a mathematician
What was Francis Bacon’s greatest scientific contribution?
c. Scientific Method
What philosopher believed that only what can be seen clearly and distinctly should be trusted?
c. Rene Descartes
What did Isaac Newton demonstrate in Principia?
b. Planets move in elliptical paths.
What did Francis Bacon believe?
d. Researchers should use experimentation and observation.
Why was Galileo charged with heresy?
a. The Bible supported the idea that earth was the center of the solar system.
November 15 2008 | Bible Juice | 1 Comment »
Is it alcoholic or non I want to see how much you know in the Bible John 2: 1-10 Could wine be juice see also Isaiah 16:10
Yes, wine is a catch-all term to describe the juice of the most important crop in ancient Israel. Grapes just squeezed, as in Isaiah, naturally would not be fermented, thus not have the alcolholic content of old wine.
Jesus used new wine and old wine as a metaphor for the coming of the kingdom of heaven (Matthew 9, Luke 5). Still, we know that throughout the Bible, there are passages where people get drunk with wine (as in John 2). So both new and old wine, or grape juice and the alcoholic beverage, were available in Biblical times as they are today.
As to whether the miracle of Cana where Jesus turned water into wine which you refer to in Johin 2 is the grape juice (since he just turned it into wine) or the fermented version (which would be an even more impressive miracle which perhaps the master of the feast tasted and exclaimed that it was the "good wine" saved after the "guests have well drunk", we will never know for sure.
What matters is that Jesus did do his first miracle there. Further, we as Christians are instructed to not get drunk with wine, but rather to be filled with the Holy Spirit (Ephesians 5:18). Jesus never was drunk since we are told not to get drunk and Jesus never sinned. Finally, what matters is that we be follow Jesus' example and allow him to fill our lives and control us.
We are to follow Jesus' example in the only way possible for us since we are inclined to sin: we are to be filled with the Holy Spirit. I don't drink wine (alcohol) myself because I don't like it and I want to follow Jesus' example and the Scriptures command to not get drunk. But I don't judge those who drink and don't show signs of being drunk since God is their judge. I just encourage my Christian brothers and sisters to not be drunk with wine or any other alcoholic beverage, but rather be filled with the Holy Spirit.
November 15 2008 | Bible Juice | 28 Comments »
And if you think what Jesus drank was grape juice, consider that in the bible the word "wine" is repeatedly used to describe a liquid that people get drunk on–even in the New Testament.
In Jesus's day, most grape juice was old enough to be alcoholic.
So why are some churches forbidding it?
I never understood that logic either..if wine is good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for everyone
November 15 2008 | Bible Juice | 16 Comments »
In the Bible, everyone drank wine, which some people use as evidence that there is nothing wrong with drinking alcohol(just not to drunkeness). However i recently read that grape juice was called wine as well, and fermented wine (what we call wine today) was considered barbaric. Does anyone know the deal with this?
If you read the first history book - Herodotus - a Greek, he talks about the barbarians drinking wine without water so this was possible the same attitude you pick up from hebrew writings. The moral issue is never just about the act, in this case of drinking, but also includes the intention. If you want to block out the reality of life, with drink, drugs, compulsions, magic or whatever that where sin comes in. Its the rejection of God's gift.
Circumstances and repercussions also have to be considered, but thats another issue. Wine in itself, like all God's creation, has been given to us to use wisely and with a good purpose.
November 15 2008 | Bible Juice | 5 Comments »
Every time I see a lolreligion question on these boards, it's mobbed by atheists with their thumbs ups and thumbs downs and their pithy comments and their "science."
If God was good enough for your parents, it's darn well good enough for you! I demand that you heed convention and bow to the invisible babysitter! You'd know the truth if only you'd open your heart to haysoos. (srsly)
You know what would be a good idea? Let's go across the country and replace all the encyclopedias with Bibles. All your measly "science" has is like, look at me I'm a theory disprove me with a better theory I'm not really that sweet anyway. But the Bible is all like, yo, I'm the Bible, I get a capital B, and I'm the truest, cuz my dad says I'm the truest, and he wrote me, and he's got invisible juice, and is the best dad ever, even after that whole send your son to his death thing.
Stop being such fanboys. Science is silly when you can get daps from the Lord.
~Swingers
I hate Atheists even more than I hate christians, and that's a lot of hate.
I'm assuming you're a joke or your question is a joke, because people don't even talk like that, not even the blacks you're stereo typing in such a horrid way. You should apologize for being obseenly racist and ignorant toward christianity. I might not be religious but you need to study more about your religion's history, if you are serious about this, before you go around talking like you know what you're saying.
November 15 2008 | Bible Juice | 11 Comments »
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