if jesus hates alcohol consumption why did he make wine?
those of you who come up with the grape juice foolishness, why would your always correct bible use the word "wine" when it meant juice?
My father, who was Methodist, felt that had Jesus been Methodist, Leonardo would have had to repaint the Last Supper with Donald Duck Grape Juice and Wonder Bread.
November 15 2008 06:54 pm | Bible Juice
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duda2011 on 16 Nov 2008 at 12:43 am #
Jesus is incapable of hate. The Judeo/Christian scriptures do not say wine is bad they say partaking of anything in excess is bad, including food (gluttony).
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slick_3501 on 16 Nov 2008 at 12:56 am #
Wine was a staple beverage and so it was normal to drink back then. It's not like he gulped it down to get drunk.
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silenciomono on 16 Nov 2008 at 1:38 am #
read thoma's bible.
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lpr747 on 16 Nov 2008 at 2:02 am #
Jesus did not hate alcohol consumption, wine was the beverage that they drunk back then. And plus His first miracle was turning water to wine at a wedding fest.
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lovebuggy9029 on 16 Nov 2008 at 2:50 am #
Jesus does not "hate" wine. Jesus does not like his children drinking to the point in which it harms someone icluding the drinker.
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jessicabjoseph on 16 Nov 2008 at 2:58 am #
Who told you that garbage about Jesus hating alcohol consumption? There is no biblical support for that.
You can consume alcohol and enjoy it in moderation. Jesus drank wine with his meals as he did at the Last Supper and at EVERY passover. Anthropology and historical studies actually show wine and beer a daily part of consumption for people in that Middle Eastern region. It was BEFORE refrigeration so any fruit juices would naturally ferment in the hot Middle Eastern climate. Water was scarce and oen of the most popular ways to purify drinking water was to turn it into alcohol by adding sugar and yeast and making beer. Through trial and error those primative cultures figured this out even if they did not have the scientific reasons behind WHY it worked. (The alcohol kills the bacteria and/or parasites in the water.) Even children drank these brews back in those days.
Remember to always double-check religious indoctrination with historical and biblical FACTS.
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OPM on 16 Nov 2008 at 3:10 am #
My father, who was Methodist, felt that had Jesus been Methodist, Leonardo would have had to repaint the Last Supper with Donald Duck Grape Juice and Wonder Bread.
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sonshine on 16 Nov 2008 at 3:41 am #
Scripture does not teach that Jesus hated alcohol consumption. Intemperance was common enough, and the Bible contains a number of negative references to excessive alcohol consumption. In actuallity, wine is praised; it rejoices God and men (Judges 9:13); it gladdens the heart of men (Psalms 104:15); it gladdens life (Exodus 10:19); it makes the heart exult (Zechariah 10:7); it cheers the spirits of the depressed (Proverbs 31:6) . . . The attitude of Jesus toward wine, like that of the entire Bible, is neutral, praising its use and finding fault in its intemperate use. Certainly the production of wine at Cana (John 2:1-11) scarcely supports any belief that Jesus or the Church regarded the use of wine as sinful in itself.
You also mention the controversy between wine and juice. Many churches believe that biblical wine is really unfermented grape juice. This does not stand up to scriptural examination.. First, Noah could not have gotten drunk on grape juice (Genesis 9:21)"But," some will claim, "that was Old Testament wine which was obviously alcoholic. The New Testament is clear in its condemnation of the use of alcohol and the instances where `wine' is drunk it is grape juice only." Even a quick look at the New Testament exposes the error of this argument. In John 2:11, the already-mentioned miracle at Cana is recounted. In accordance with Jewish custom, they were drinking real wine. It was a joyful occasion with probably several hundred people attending, so Jesus helped when the wine supply became prematurely exhausted. The product had to be fermented wine, for if it had been mere grape juice, there would have been complaints rather than superb compliments. "A feast is made for laughter, and wine makes merry" says Ecclesiastes 10:19 with the Hebrew word requiring a fermented product! Then at the "Last Supper" Jesus passed around wine to His disciples. Since this was six to seven months after the grape harvest and since there was no way to preserve grape juice, this also had to be fermented wine. (The Greek word used in John 2:1-11 for "wine" and in Paul's command to Timothy to drink wine (I Timothy 5:23) is the term oinos. This same word appears in Ephesians 5:18 ("be not drunk with wine") and Luke 10:34 ("and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine"). Can you get drunk on grape juice? Would you pour grape juice on a wound? Of course not! You get drunk on alcoholic wine and fermented wine would provide sufficient alcoholic content to serve as an antiseptic. The New Testament always refers to fermented wine. And how could the apostles stand to be accused of being drunk on grape juice (Acts 2:13-15)?
Now examine verses aaginst alcohol consumpiton. One of the primary ones is Proverbs 20:1 which states, "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." There are certainly problems attached with over-indulgence. The admonition here is that one not be deceived by it and use it too much. This applies to almost anything. Should honey also be eliminated from a Christian's diet? The approach taken by those who attempt to use Proverbs 20:1 to indicate that drinking wine is a sin would require a similar teaching about honey as well from its mention along a similar vein in Proverbs 25:27. This attitude is absurd and the intent of each of the verses is expressing a problem resulting from going too far with either product. The same applies to another section of Proverbs, 23:29-32, which again condemns drunkenness and alcoholism, but in no way prohibits or even discourages the moderate use of wine. The "red" wine that "moveth itself aright" is wine that is still fermenting. One should not "look" upon it to lust after it to drink it (compare Matthew 5:28 which would make it a sin for anyone to even look at a woman were this argument valid) as doing so before it is fully fermented can cause violent illness and even death. The completed product is not involved here whatsoever.
The positive scriptures include Christ's example of making wine at Cana (John 2:1-11), Paul's command to Timothy (I Timothy 5:23), Melchizedek's sharing of wine with Abram (Genesis 14:18), God's command to drink wine (Isaiah 55:1) and His preparing a feast for His people which includes wines as a part of the menu (Isaiah 25:6). It is also interesting to note that those who espouse total abstinence conveniently make all of the positive references to wine relate to grape juice and claim that all of the negative ones display fermented wine. In every case the words are the same, but somehow they think that they may supply a different meaning on those words to suit their own goals.
The proper relationship between alcohol and Christians is a matter of moderation. As Paul told Timothy, "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine . . . ." When he wrote to the Ephesians he specified, "And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess . . . ." He said to not get drunk, but he did not say to totally abstain from wine. What is absent is just as important as what is present. "Let your moderation be known unto all men" (Philippians 4:5). Christians and alcohol can mix and, when celebrating Christ's death, wine is an integral and even vital ingredient. Paul again makes this point clear in I Corinthians 11:20-29 by outlining the aspects of the Passover service and making special mention of the proper spirit of this solemn celebration and admonishing against overeating and drunkenness. And again you do not get drunk from drinking grape juice, making the use of wine (as Christ obviously did) an obligatory part of the service. Abstinence is not taught by the Bible, but neither is drunkenness. Moderation is the key.
Please - realize that this answer is taken nearly in entirety fromBiblestudy.org and all credit should be to their research, not my quoting it.
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